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RE: sections 1.4.2 and 1.4.3

From: Rotan Hanrahan <rotan.hanrahan@mobileaware.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:39:32 -0400
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  enumerate those aspects of the mobile context that have relevance to web-application development. (e.g. limited connectivity, variable / limited data input, limited / variable screen, fragmented platforms, limited device processing capability...)

 

Hi Adam,

 

I hope you are not going to "limit" yourself to the limitations of the mobile context. It sounds so negative. One should also consider the positive aspects: access to location information, novel input mechanisms (pinch-touch, wheel selectors, orientation sensors etc.), operator-mediated authentication, more pervasive use of cameras, a multitude of browser launch mechanisms (e.g. via SMS-embedded URLs) and other device APIs that are coming on-stream. We should stop thinking of mobile Web-enabled devices as miniature (limited) PCs.

 

---Rotan.

 

 

From: public-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Adam Connors
Sent: 23 May 2008 15:25
To: Jeff Sonstein
Cc: public-bpwg@w3.org
Subject: Re: sections 1.4.2 and 1.4.3

 

	I think something that makes clear
	what is meant by a "Web Application"
	and what is special about them in a mobile context
	is important for this BP document


Yeah, that was the original intent of having the 3 subsections in Scope. Define what the doc is trying to do "best-practices for web-applications in the mobile-context", then define each part of that statement in turn: best-practices, web-applications, mobile-context.

Re-reading, I still feel that 1.4.2 does an adequate job of setting some context on what is a web-application (at least as far as we agreed that if you didn't know what cheese was, a point-by-point definition probably wouldn't help you very much).

I take your point though on "what is special about them in a mobile context"... So in response to your point I'm inclined to beef up the text in 1.4.3 and enumerate those aspects of the mobile context that have relevance to web-application development. (e.g. limited connectivity, variable / limited data input, limited / variable screen, fragmented platforms, limited device processing capability...)

Does that sound like it might answer the concern, or have I missed the point ?

Thanks,

Adam.

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Sonstein <jeffs@it.rit.edu> wrote:


okay
so don't hit me if I am having 2nd thoughts
about removing some of the "what do we mean by" text
[which I think is part of what we agreed yesterday to do]...

I think it is important to say something about
what is meant by a "Web Application"
and then to say something about
what is different about the mobile context

as of the 21st
section 1.4.1 opened with the paragraph:

 For the purposes of this document, the term "web application"
 refers to a web page (XHTML or a variant thereof + CSS) or
 collection of web pages delivered over HTTP which use either
 server-side or client-side processing (e.g. javascript) to provide
 an "application-like" experience within a web-browser. Web
 applications are distinct from simple web content (the focus of BP1)
 in that they include some elements of interactivity and persistent state.

and section 1.4.2 has the statement:

 [...] the focus of this document is to address those aspects of
 web-application development for which there are additional,
 non-trivial concerns associated with the mobile context.

I think something that makes clear
what is meant by a "Web Application"
and what is special about them in a mobile context
is important for this BP document

what was there may indeed have been "too wordy"
and I think *something* addressing these issues
needs to be in the BP document

am I missing something in my insufficient-coffee state?

just my [ever-shrinking] $0.02 worth
jeffs

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