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Re: Re: please reivew mobileOK Basic Tests 1.0

From: <mike@w3.org>
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:51:26 +0000
To: Laurens Holst <lholst@students.cs.uu.nl>
Cc: public-bpwg-comments@w3.org
Message-Id: <E1IbebG-0007Ne-J4@wiggum.w3.org>


 Dear Laurens Holst ,

The Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group has reviewed the comments you
sent [1] on the Last Call Working Draft [2] of the W3C mobileOK Basic
Tests 1.0 (2nd Last Call) published on 25 May 2007. Thank you for having
taken the time to review the document and to send us comments!

The Working Group's response to your comment is included below, and has
been implemented in the new version of the document available at:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-mobileOK-basic10-tests-20070928/.

Please review it carefully and let us know if you agree with it or not
before 19 October 2007. In case of disagreement, you are requested to
provide a specific solution for or a path to a consensus with the Working
Group. If such a consensus cannot be achieved, you will be given the
opportunity to raise a formal objection which will then be reviewed by the
Director during the transition of this document to the next stage in the
W3C Recommendation Track.

Thanks,

For the Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group,
Michael(tm) Smith
W3C Staff Contact

 1. http://www.w3.org/mid/4668801F.2090006@students.cs.uu.nl
 2. http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-mobileOK-basic10-tests-20070525/


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Your comment on 2.3.2 HTTP Request:
> First, section 2.3.2 HTTP Request states:
> 
> >    *
> >
> >       Include an |Accept| header indicating that Internet media
> types
> >       understood by the default delivery context are accepted by
> >       sending exactly this header:
> >
> >       Accept:
>
application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.1,application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml;q=0.1,text/css,image/jpeg,image/gif
> >             
> >
> 
> I think this is incorrect, text/css should NOT be included in the
> Accept 
> header, and image/jpeg and image/gif ONLY if the UA is expected to 
> support showing these images independantly of a document (the mobileOK
> 
> tests should explicitly check whether this is supported). The client 
> after all does not know how to handle a text/css file independently of
> 
> XML markup.
> 
> Instead, it should send an "Accept: text/css" header when the CSS files
> 
> that are linked using <link rel="stylesheet">, <?xml-stylesheet?> or 
> @include. Similarly, images referenced from <img> should send an 
> "Accept: image/jpeg,image/gif" header. Aside from checking the Accept 
> header for the main page, the mobileOK tests should also check that 
> Accept headers send these values for stylesheet and image requests.


Working Group Resolution:
We do not think it is wrong to specify the headers in the way we do,
however we accept that we do not properly check that the right sort of
content has come back in response to the request. In other words, if the
request is made because of an img tag then the response should be an
image. We did not test for that in the draft you reviewed and we will
amend accordingly. In particular, in 3.4, <img> tags that retrieve valid
CSS delivered as text/css should for example FAIL too.

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Your comment on 2.3.2 HTTP Request:
> Third, in that same section, there is a requirement that only HTTP GET 
> methods can only be used. What about form submissions with POST?
> Forcing 
> forms to be sent with the GET method seems undesirable and impairs the
> 
> HTTP functionality. It seems a silly limitation too, because if a 
> mobileOK Basic application must support HTTP and HTTPS, and Basic and 
> Digest HTTP authentication, then surely support for POST would be 
> trivial. The mobileOK tests should provide tests for checking proper 
> cache clearing after a POST request has been done on a URL.


Working Group Resolution:
We will insert a reference in 2.3.2 referring to 2.3.8 to make it clearer
that POST is definitely allowed as a form action in mobileOK content but
that it is simply not tested, for fear of the tester causing unwanted side
effects.

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Your comment on 3.4 CONTENT_FORMAT_SUPPORT and VALID_MARKUP:
> Fifth, in 3.4 CONTENT_FORMAT_SUPPORT  and VALID_MARKUP it does not 
> distinguish included resources by type, that is, if it’s a stylesheet
> 
> include, only the text/css media type should be accepted (otherwise 
> FAIL), and if it’s an image include, only image/gif or image/jpeg is
> 
> accepted and not text/css. If it’s an object include, unless the UA
> is 
> expected to support CSS there by showing it somehow, text/css should 
> also not be accepted.


Working Group Resolution:
We will add that if the resource is expected to be a stylesheet, it must
be text/css (and be valid CSS), and likewise for images and FAIL if it is
not - also that Objects need to be images in this case.

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