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Re: [schemaorg/schemaorg] Improving Dataset descriptions (#1083)

From: Philippe <proccaserra@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:46:26 +0100
To: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, "Gray, Alasdair J G" <A.J.G.Gray@hw.ac.uk>
Cc: "public-bioschemas@w3.org" <public-bioschemas@w3.org>
Message-ID: <82700f7c-6a47-4b61-4dae-61c1b6a96ee9@gmail.com>
Hi Dan,

indeed. VariableMeasured was added to schema.org dataset profile 
following the discussions with NIH BD2K Biocaddie project [1], which 
developed the DATS model [2].
There we used the notion of 'Dimension' as to encompass the whole range, 
without restriction or perceived restrictions.


Philippe

[1]. https://biocaddie.org/
[2]. 
https://github.com/biocaddie/WG3-MetadataSpecifications/tree/master/json-schemas


On 10/05/2017 14:29, Dan Brickley wrote:
> Thanks, you beat me to it! Yes, I would love to have bioschemas 
> feedback on this point, since variableMeasured came out of 
> conversations here. My feeling is that he has a point but I welcome 
> discussion...
>
> Dan
>
> On 10 May 2017 at 09:32, Gray, Alasdair J G <A.J.G.Gray@hw.ac.uk 
> <mailto:A.J.G.Gray@hw.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Dear All,
>
>     The following discussion on the schema.org <http://schema.org>
>     list looks to be relevant to our work on dataset descriptions for
>     bioschemas.
>
>     Alasdair
>
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>>     descriptions (#1083)
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>>
>>     BTW - the use of the word 'Measured' also has this problem -
>>     'Measure' usually applies to data collection activities with
>>     /quantitative/, but not /categorical/ results. So
>>     variableMeasured has the risk that it implicitly excludes
>>     datasets where the 'values' are catergories rather than numbers.
>>
>>     There are precedents from several scientific domains to use the
>>     more general term 'Observed' and 'Observation' (rather than
>>     Measured and Measurement) to allow for both categories and
>>     quantities. SSN [1] & O&M [2] use 'observedProperty' and OBOE [3]
>>     has 'ofCharacteristic'.
>>
>>     [1] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/
>>     [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observations_and_Measurements
>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observations_and_Measurements>
>>     https://dx.doi.org/10.13140/2.1.1142.3042
>>     <https://dx.doi.org/10.13140/2.1.1142.3042>
>>     [3] https://dx.doi.org/10.5063/F11C1TTM
>>     <https://dx.doi.org/10.5063/F11C1TTM>
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