- From: Streif, Rudolf <rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com>
- Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:49:55 -0800
- To: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Cc: "public-autowebplatform@w3.org" <public-autowebplatform@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CANpGCGL1jpTFZNQRfWvx6vKgJDiuzJML4a3rvXfmCWPQU8Zoxw@mail.gmail.com>
Thank you, Kaz. I think the attendee list is missing Philippe Robin (GENIVI). You have Philippe Colliot (PSA) on the list. Rudi On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org> wrote: > available at: > https://www.w3.org/2016/12/13-auto-minutes.html > > also as text below. > > Thanks, > > Kazuyuki > > --- > [1]W3C > > [1] http://www.w3.org/ > > - DRAFT - > > Automotive BG > > 13 Dec 2016 > > [2]Agenda > > [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-autowebplatform/ > 2016Dec/0002.html > > See also: [3]IRC log > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/12/13-auto-irc > > Attendees > > Present > Kaz_Ashimura, Paul_Boyes, Philippe_Colliot, Qing_An, > Ryan_Davis, Wonsuk_Lee, Ted, Adam_Crofts, > Shinjiro_Urata, Rudi_Streif, Tatsuhiko_Hirabayashi > > Regrets > Chair > Wonsuk, Paul, Qing_An > > Scribe > kaz, ted > > Contents > > * [4]Topics > 1. [5]Media tuner > 2. [6]Redefining the role of the BG > 3. [7]Test environment > * [8]Summary of Action Items > * [9]Summary of Resolutions > __________________________________________________________ > > Media tuner > > <inserted> scribenick: kaz > > -> [10]https://www.w3.org/2016/12/13-tvapi-minutes.html TV > Control minutes > > [10] https://www.w3.org/2016/12/13-tvapi-minutes.html > > ryan: working on media tuner topic > ... discussion with the TV Control guys > ... really productive > ... based on a common ground > ... brought use cases from auto > ... the way the tuner spec is written is hardware-centric > ... not only a tuner but collection of tuner and player would > be needed > ... "tuner" is confusing from technical viewpoint > ... I'm submitting some high-level architecture > ... getting out of the concept of "tuner" and use another > concept of "player" > ... playing/decoding media > ... a player may be responsible some media stream > ... and another player might be responsible to another resource > ... this morning all the TV Control guys agreed > > paul: sounds good > > kaz: yes > > ryan: the original use cases I had on the spreadsheet > ... will be rewritten > ... the architecture is in question > ... they're looking the recorder capability as a different > entity > ... but a player could be simply connected to a recorder > ... the other issue is audio zones > ... can be solved by the multiple player approach > ... a tuner entity can be actually a player which is tied with > tuner > ... make sense? > > kaz: agree :) > > wonsuk: one question > ... there was a proposal by VW > ... included media tuner capability > ... something like spotify > ... possible application in vehicle > > ryan: current spec doesn't handle that > ... currently specific to TV tuner > ... rather tied with hardware > ... while I myself don't care about hardware > ... but concentrate on resources > ... have not looked at VW's proposal itself, though > > wonsuk: good question > > ryan: have worked with several OEMs > ... players play media based on user's requests > ... haven't work with VW but might be similar > > wonsuk: ok > ... can we share the VW proposal with the other group > participants? > ... want to check > > ted: I'm working on VW's Member submission > ... which will be public > ... including car library, media tuner, etc. > ... also CDN service > ... hoping we'll publish it before the publication moratorium > ... will send announcement once it's published > > wonsuk: ok > ... I'm curious about the Member submission > ... standardization based on a submission by a W3C Member? > > ted: formal submission by a Member to W3C > ... which can be discussed by the BG > > wonsuk: ok > ... after we have the document from VW, we can share it with > other W3C Members. right? > > ted: yes > ... expected next week > > wonsuk: ok. good. > ... any comments? > > ryan: interested to see that as a Christmas present :) > > Redefining the role of the BG > > wonsuk: we've discussed this topic before > ... at that time, I mentioned we needed to form a TF to revisit > use cases > ... and we need to try to add more use cases > ... like payments use cases > ... also lots of different use cases > > <paul> > [11]https://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/wiki/Potential > _Work_Areas > > [11] https://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/wiki/ > Potential_Work_Areas > > kaz: do you confirm that direction? > > wonsuk: yes > > kaz: as Paul put on IRC, there were several work areas > > paul: yes, and there were some more from VW > ... how should we handle this? > > ted: announcement will be made during the Member submission > procedure > ... have conversation > ... talking with Ian Jacobs about Payments > ... possibly we could have discussion on vehicle-specific use > cases > > paul: traffic API as well? > ... HERE is not a W3C Member yet. right? > > ted: no > ... but recently joined GENIVI > > rudi: we're waiting for their input > ... maybe we could draft a new charter for backend APIs > > paul: the BG is free to explore any use cases > > ted: that's correct > > kaz: right > > <ted> scribenick: ted > > kaz: BGs are encouraged to define charter in order to clarify > scope to prospects but it does not have to be rigidly defined > (unlike WG) > > <scribe> scribenick: kaz > > paul: ADAS use cases? > > rudi: part of the discussion within GENIVI > ... GENIVI is collaborating with OCF > > philippe: concerning HERE, not sure about their intention yet > ... their work is very important for the LBS topic > ... we'll likely have a meeting in January > > <ted> scribenick: ted > > kaz: I was wondering how to handle Geolocation mapping and > traffic data in context of LBS topic > ... it should probably be in a single task force > ... later it might make sense to create a separate one > > <scribe> scribenick: kaz > > wonsuk: also thinking about that > ... open APIs on the cloud side for traffic data > > paul: could be interested > ... what about mapbox? are they a W3C Member? > ... monitoring and checking the stuff > ... connected with PSA guys? > > ted: they're interested in REST APIs but still need some more > time > > (discussion on infographic about vehicle industry stakeholders) > > <ted> [12]http://pass-projekt.de/ > > [12] http://pass-projekt.de/ > > <ted> [agree it would be helpful to have a map of different > standards bodies involved in auto and their areas. we keep > learning of new/duplicate efforts] > > <paul> > [13]http://23je8jawagt19m8da2cje4yb.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp- > content/uploads/2016/06/Ecosystem-Infographic.png > > [13] http://23je8jawagt19m8da2cje4yb.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp- > content/uploads/2016/06/Ecosystem-Infographic.png > > <ted> [OMA is trying to have an authorative document along > those lines] > > <ted> > [14]https://wiki.openmobilealliance.org/display/OI/OMA+Report+o > n+Automotive+Opportunity > > [14] https://wiki.openmobilealliance.org/display/OI/OMA+Report+on+ > Automotive+Opportunity > > <paul> lochbridge infographic connected car > > <paul> > [15]http://lochbridge.com/blog/next-big-automotive-revolution/ > > [15] http://lochbridge.com/blog/next-big-automotive-revolution/ > > paul: Lochbridge's whitepaper > > wonsuk: interesting item to me > ... what about cloud APIs like Amazon? > ... we can also sync with existing cloud APIs > ... there are companies provide APIs for smart home > ... we can think about how to integrate existing APIs like > smart homes and speech APIs > > rudi: interesting to me too > ... OCF is working on that kind of APIs > ... automotive profile is one of their defining profiles > > paul: there is a WoT group within W3C as well > > rudi: we can integrate capabilities > > paul: HERE has mechanism to integrate location data > ... interesting to research quickly > ... btw, is anybody could join the call for security? > > ted: security call on Thursday > > rudi: they're modeling security portion > ... vehicle signal server to get connected > ... lot of good momentum > > kaz: info on the WoT IG > ... they'are launching a WG shortly > ... also have restarted the discussion on security and privacy > from the viewpoint of WoT > ... and would like to invite experts from related groups > including the Automotive group > ... Hashimoto-san should be a good starting point for the > collaborators > > paul: what about OCF liaison? > > kaz: WoT group is forming liaison with OCF as well > > paul: good > ... Hashimoto-san's joining the WoT security discussion would > be great > ... there are different domains > > kaz: also my second point is that some of the vehicle > capability could/should be handled by a bit more abstract layer > like WoT rather than the Vehicle Signal Server > > paul: yeah > > Test environment > > paul: btw, wondering about the test environment > ... Urata-san mentioned he was working on the Web Platform > Testing environment > > kaz: yes > ... as you know, there is the Web Platform Testing > infrastructure > ... but the framework is developed mainly for pc/mobile Web > browsers > ... we should be able to use the framework for part of the > Vehicle Signal Spec features since the framework includes > WebSocket capability (for pc/mobile browsers) as well > ... however, we need to add modules to get vehicle data on the > Vehicle Signal Server side and send the data to the Vehicle > Signal Client side > > Kaz's note on the resources from the Web Platform Tests > Project: > - [16]Web Platform Tests Project > - [17]Test Suite for Web Platform Testing infrastracture > - [18]Web Platform Test Runner site > > [16] https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/blob/master/README.md > [17] https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests > [18] http://w3c-test.org/tools/runner/index.html > > paul: ok > ... this topic itself is not really the topic for the BG but > I'll put it together > ... anything else for today? > > wonsuk: anything else? > > (none) > > [ adjourned ] > > Summary of Action Items > > Summary of Resolutions > > [End of minutes] > __________________________________________________________ > > > Minutes formatted by David Booth's [19]scribe.perl version > 1.148 ([20]CVS log) > $Date: 2016/12/13 18:14:29 $ > > [19] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm > [20] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ > > -- *Rudolf J Streif* System Architect - Open Source Initiative Open Source Technology Centre *M:* +1.619.631.5383 *Email:* rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com UK: G/26/2 G02 Building 523, Engineering Centre, Gaydon, Warwick, CV35 ORR US: 1419 NW 14th Ave, Portland, OR 97209 jaguar.com | landrover.com ------------------- Business Details: Jaguar Land Rover Limited Registered Office: Abbey Road, Whitley, Coventry CV3 4LF Registered in England No: 1672070 This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential information for a specific individual and purpose. 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