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Re: TAG feedback on Web Audio

From: Alex Russell <slightlyoff@google.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 17:42:35 -0700
Message-ID: <CANr5HFXWbqFWqU0uGdN8tqn3TOja8+NeAfULd82r6hRAUYVMkQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Chris Wilson <cwilso@google.com>
Cc: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>, Anne van Kesteren <annevk@annevk.nl>, Olivier Thereaux <Olivier.Thereaux@bbc.co.uk>, "robert@ocallahan.org" <robert@ocallahan.org>, "public-audio@w3.org" <public-audio@w3.org>, "www-tag@w3.org List" <www-tag@w3.org>
Let me be clearer, then: the issue is that it introduces effects to JS that
can't be described *in terms of JS*. It violates the run-to-completion
model of the language without appealing to the turn-based concurrency model
we use everywhere else in the platform.


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Chris Wilson <cwilso@google.com> wrote:

> In addition, I'd ask that you be more explicit than calling this problem
> "data races", because there's clearly some explicit effect you're trying to
> prevent.  Any asynchronously-programmable or event-driven system can enable
> developers to introduce race conditions.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 7/29/2013 7:05 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Noah Mendelsohn<nrm@arcanedomain.**com<nrm@arcanedomain.com>>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> >Again, I have no informed opinions on the specific merits, just
>>>> suggesting a
>>>> >useful role the TAG might play to clarify for the many members of the
>>>> >community who are less expert on this than you are. Thank you.
>>>>
>>>
>>  I'm not sure we call out data races anywhere, it's something we just
>>> don't do.
>>>
>>
>> Well, my recollection may be faulty, but I think that one of the reasons
>> the TAG took the trouble to formalize things like the architecture document
>> was the belief that it's easier to ask skeptics to stick to rules that have
>> been written down, and especially those that have garnered formal consensus
>> through something like the Recommendation track.
>>
>> Whether it's worth taking a guideline on data races all the way to Rec
>> I'm not sure, but it seems that it would be worth setting it down formally,
>> perhaps in a TAG Finding/blog post/Recommendation or whatever will get the
>> right level of discussion, consensus building, and eventually attention.
>>
>> Certainly, of the many things that have come up recently relating to
>> APIs, this one seems deeply architectural and very much within the TAG's
>> remit.
>>
>> Noah
>>
>>
>
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