RE: Minutes of today WAI-ARIA WG Task Force meeting

Edit: zakim provided corrupt minutes version - see correct dump below


  *   Stefan

From: Schnabel, Stefan
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:54 PM
To: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
Subject: Minutes of today WAI-ARIA WG Task Force meeting

Minutes of today:

https://www.w3.org/2019/08/22-aria-minutes.html

Regards

Stefan Schnabel
Usability Design Senior Expert - Accessibility
IEG SAP User Experience

[19:02] <Stefan> scribe:Stefan
[19:03] <Zakim> agendum 1. "[New Issue Triage](https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2019-08-15+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2F
[19:03] <Zakim> ... core-aam&type=Issues)" taken up [from jamesn]
[19:04] <Stefan> James: issue #1038
[19:04] == CurtBellew [~CurtBellew@public.cloak] has joined #aria
[19:04] <Stefan> James: not a 1.2 issue
[19:06] <Stefan> James: iOS 13 seems to have implementation of this
[19:06] <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1035
[19:06] <Stefan> James: proposal is to eleminate the "should" from the spec
[19:06] <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1037
[19:07] == irfan [~irfan@public.cloak] has joined #aria
[19:07] <irfan> present+
[19:07] <Stefan> James: could be a 1.2 milestone
[19:07] <Stefan> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1034
[19:08] <Stefan> James: what should we do with this?
[19:08] <Stefan> Joanie: presentation pulls the semantics out
[19:10] <Stefan> Matt: very interesting title
[19:12] <Stefan> Matt: I will talk with the issue opener
[19:12] <Stefan> zakim, next item
[19:12] <Zakim> agendum 2. "[New PR Triage](https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2019-08-15+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-a
[19:12] <Zakim> ... am&type=Issues)" taken up [from jamesn]
[19:13] <jamesn> zakim, close this item
[19:13] <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
[19:13] <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
[19:13] <Zakim> 3. [Agenda for TPAC 2019](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1001) [from jamesn]
[19:13] <jamesn> zakim, next item
[19:13] <Zakim> agendum 3. "[Agenda for TPAC 2019](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1001)" taken up [from jamesn]
[19:14] <Stefan> James: We have meeting with other WGs
[19:15] <Stefan> James: we want to talk with them but before we should align
[19:16] <Stefan> Matt: we should have a discussion with them
[19:16] <Stefan> James: we should come to a conclusion first
[19:17] <Stefan> Matt: any AT devs out there?
[19:17] <Stefan> James: not from the attendee list
[19:17] <Stefan> Janina: James Craig is there? James: yes
[19:18] <Stefan> zakim, next item
[19:18] <Zakim> agendum 4. "[fix(grid): removes aria-level from grid](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1029)" taken up [from jamesn]
[19:20] <Stefan> James: any objections to merge?
[19:21] == mck [~chatzilla@public.cloak] has joined #aria
[19:21] <Stefan> James: ok we will merge
[19:21] <Stefan> zakim, next item
[19:21] <Zakim> agendum 5. "[Revising what ARIA attributes should be considered global](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/999)" taken up [from jamesn]
[19:23] <Stefan> James: I like to have people to look at this .. any comments on the pull request?
[19:24] <Stefan> Matt: its a bandwith thing to take care of that
[19:24] <joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1023
[19:25] <Stefan> James: I'm conservative side: some we believe should not be global should be explicitly named
[19:26] <Stefan> Matt: I wonder if we dont want do do all changes in one pull request, can we break up in several categories?
[19:27] <joanie> q+ To suggest starting with widget (superclass) rather than specific roles
[19:27] * Zakim sees joanie on the speaker queue
[19:27] <Stefan> James: currently 4 attributes pull request deals with
[19:28] <Stefan> James: creating separate pull for aria-haspopup make sense
[19:29] <Stefan> James: I will do that
[19:30] <Stefan> Matt: there is already one
[19:31] <Stefan> James: removing it from global means also used with HTML elements it won't work, 2nd if somebody has used them on role presentation role will be problematic too
[19:31] <joanie> ack me
[19:31] <Zakim> joanie, you wanted to suggest starting with widget (superclass) rather than specific roles
[19:31] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[19:32] <Stefan> James: using superclass when possible
[19:32] <Stefan> joanie: does an input sublcass widget?
[19:33] <Stefan> Matt: yes
[19:35] <Stefan> joanie: if we use superclasses for that there is a danger of new roles in other tech(svg) that others will not support aria-disabled because now there are global
[19:36] <Stefan> Matt: like aria-invalid on option role, makes no sense
[19:39] <Stefan> (all): discussion about roles and applied properties / consequences doing thta
[19:39] <jamesn> q+
[19:39] * Zakim sees jamesn on the speaker queue
[19:40] <Stefan> James: there are caveats of moving them to a higher level role
[19:40] <Stefan> James: we would like to get the spec clean not messy
[19:41] <Stefan> Matt: i don't want to explain stuff in APG that does not make sense
[19:41] <Stefan> James: disabled link exists
[19:41] <joanie> q+ To ask why a tabpanel cannot be disabled
[19:41] * Zakim sees jamesn, joanie on the speaker queue
[19:42] * Zakim sees Stefan on the speaker queue
[19:42] <Stefan> q+ links represents objects in business apss
[19:42] * Zakim Stefan, you typed too many words without commas; I suspect you forgot to start with 'to ...'
[19:43] <Stefan> q+ to say that links represents objects in business apps
[19:45] <Stefan> Scott: in HTML links cannot be disabled
[19:46] <Stefan> James: if we remove that we break people
[19:48] <Stefan> James: best to create a separate pull request for that
[19:49] <Stefan> James: role parity means that you can do the same, not have to
[19:50] <Stefan> James: we do separate pull request
[19:50] <Stefan> zakim, next item
[19:50] <Zakim> agendum 6. "[Issue1019 initial draft for accessible name using caption role](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1020)" taken up [from jamesn]
[19:50] <jamesn> agenda?
[19:50] * Zakim sees 3 items remaining on the agenda:
[19:50] * Zakim 6. [Issue1019 initial draft for accessible name using caption role](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1020) [from jamesn]
[19:50] * Zakim 7. [Issue899 accname from heading](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1018) [from jamesn]
[19:50] * Zakim 8. [Add explicit language regarding name from legend and encapsulation](https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/54) [from jamesn]