Re: AccName for fieldset and legend, plus role="group" and role="legend" proposal and questions

I agree with James
The role=heading is overriding the role of legend in that case, so there is
no name for the Group.

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 8:45 PM James Nurthen <nurthen@adobe.com> wrote:

> Bryan,
>
> For your example
>         <fieldset>
>             <legend role="heading" aria-level="3">Question 1 text?</legend>
>             <div> Grouping of 15 radio buttons as possible answers. </div>
>         </fieldset>
>
> The group would not have an accessible name.
> In 1.2 group gets it’s accessible name from either author or legend.
> It does not have an author accessible name.
> It does not have a descendent legend role - as the role has been
> overridden.
>
> Hence it does not have an accessible name.
>
> Regards,
> James
>
> James Nurthen  |  Accessibility Engineer  |  Adobe  |  p. 415.832.2734  |
> c. 415.987.1918  |  nurthen@adobe.com
>
>
>
> On 4/12/19, 5:36 PM, "Bryan Garaventa" <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>
> wrote:
>
>     Thanks,
>     I get that part, though it doesn't answer the primary question of
> whether the given markup should result in an accessible name regardless,
> since the ARIA spec supports this.
>
>     I'm going to need ARIA WG agreement on this before I can build out a
> prototype for it.
>
>     Thanks again,
>     Bryan
>
>
>     Bryan Garaventa
>     Principal Accessibility Architect
>     Level Access, Inc.
>     Bryan.Garaventa@LevelAccess.com
>     415.624.2709 (o)
>     www.LevelAccess.com
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Scott O'Hara <sohara@paciellogroup.com>
>     Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 4:03 PM
>     To: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>; 'ARIA Working
> Group' <public-aria@w3.org>
>     Subject: Re: AccName for fieldset and legend, plus role="group" and
> role="legend" proposal and questions
>
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>
>     Hey Bryan,
>
>     Per your last question, if going by the HTML 5.2 spec (
> https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/sec-forms.html#the-legend-element) the
> client could add a heading within the legend, which then wouldn't go
> against the HTML-ARIA spec that doesn't allow for the heading role to be
> added to the legend element.
>
>     e.g.
>
>     <fieldset>
>       <legend>
>         <span role=heading aria-level=3>whatever</span>
>       </legend>
>       <div> with all the radios </div>
>     </fieldset>
>
>     Quickly verifying with Chrome, Firefox and Safari that produces
> "whatever" as the group name, while also exposing the heading.
>
>     The WHATWG HTML spec does not presently note that headings can be
> children of legends.  Though, that'd make for a good future PR imo...
>
>
>     Per examples 1-4, I think that all makes sense to me.  Going to think
> harder about it over the weekend.  But wanted to at least answer the last
> question rather than put it off.
>
>     Have a nice weekend
>
>     Scott
>
>
>
>     On 4/12/19, 6:40 PM, "Bryan Garaventa" <
> bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com> wrote:
>
>         Hi,
>         I've been doing some work on the naming computation logic for the
> legend role, and found some questions having to do with implicit mappings
> that I need some input on.
>
>         First, I just realized that I've been misspelling the "role
> parity" project as "role parody", and have filed some likely amusing bugs
> with this. So, if anyone points this out, this was totally intentional and
> I knew exactly what I was doing.
>
>         Here is the relevant AccName logic for this if it makes sense.
>
>         1. The fieldset element implicitly maps to role="group", so for
> the purpose of AccName, both of these are the same.
>
>         2. The legend element will implicitly map to role="legend", so
> both are the same, and will automatically set the name of either fieldset
> or role="group" if this is present as the nearest ancestor.
>
>         3. If fieldsets or groups are nested, the name for one group will
> only be set using the nearest legend within that container, or receive no
> name if no legend is found within that specific container.
>
>         Example 1: Name for role=group is "Legend"
>
>         <div role="group">
>             <div class="wrapper">
>                     <div role="legend">Legend</div>
>             </div>
>         </div>
>
>         Example 2: Name for outer role=group is "", Name for inner
> role=group is "Legend"
>
>         <div role="group">
>             <div class="wrapper">
>                     <div role="group">
>                             <div role="legend">Legend</div>
>                     </div>
>             </div>
>         </div>
>
>         4. if Legends are nested, only the outer legend will be used to
> compute the name for the nearest fieldset element or role="group" ancestor.
>
>         Does this make sense? Am I missing anything, or does something
> else make more sense?
>
>         Secondly, there is some code I was looking at today with a client,
> which is invalid according to the HTML-ARIA Spec, but it still has to have
> a valid naming computation regardless, and it doesn't violate the ARIA spec
> in any way.
>
>         The code is this:
>
>         <fieldset>
>             <legend role="heading" aria-level="3">Question 1 text?</legend>
>             <div> Grouping of 15 radio buttons as possible answers. </div>
>         </fieldset>
>
>         So, what is the fieldset or role="group" name in this case?
>
>         Thanks,
>         Bryan
>
>
>         Bryan Garaventa
>         Principal Accessibility Architect
>         Level Access, Inc.
>         Bryan.Garaventa@LevelAccess.com
>         415.624.2709 (o)
>         www.LevelAccess.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Received on Monday, 15 April 2019 18:19:01 UTC