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Re: Microsoft's ARIA annotations proposal

From: Aaron Leventhal <aleventhal@google.com>
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 13:36:19 -0400
Message-ID: <CA+1LECTzMfwRA1YF5j1A4+-Sv_-M25Mbu32mQ1dMsPVxq77mBg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org>
Cc: Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>, Tzviya - Hoboken Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>, ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
Hi, thanks for linking into the Web Annotation Data Model spec.

Just to clarify, we're looking for ARIA or other markup to describe simple
in-page annotations to a piece of text. In order to do this, we really only
need two things: 1) to allow an element to point to the related annotation
ids, and 2) be able to describe the type of the annotation.

We could look at utilizing the Web Annotation Data Model, but it seems to
provide a lot more than what we need. For example, it allows hooking
external sources of data, which we don't want. It utilizes a lot of
structure, and has a markup model that does not match neatly to ARIA.

In the interests of not reinventing the wheel, and keeping things simple, I
do have a alternate proposal that builds off Microsoft's ideas, but makes
implementation easy by mostly leveraging existing markup and code.
Personally, I would prefer utilizing existing ARIA attributes or adding 1-2
new ones or adding JSON parsing into the mix of how we expose editable
content to screen readers.

This is just my 2 cents. It is all worthy of discussion and I don't mean to
stomp on anyone's ideas if they really think the Web Annotation Data Model
is the right way to handle things like comments and code editor
breakpoints. I'd like to see an example of how it would work.

Let's get this on the agenda. I have a feeling we are closer than we think.

Aaron

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:19 PM Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org>
wrote:

> Also just FYI there will be an iAnnotate <http://iannotate.org> Conference
> in San Francisco June 6&7.
>
> Thanks
> EOM
>
>
> Charles LaPierre
> Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible
> E-mail: charlesl@benetech.org <charlesl@benetech.org>
> Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y
> Skype: charles_lapierre
> Phone: 650-600-3301 <(650)%20600-3301>
>
> On May 11, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> As former co-chair and editor of those specifications, I'm very happy to
> answer questions about the the Web Annotation work.  Reading the position
> paper from Microsoft, I don't see anything that cannot be accommodated.
> Microsoft even hosted one of the Annotation WG outreach events in Berlin,
> in 2016, for which we were and remain very grateful.
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Rob Sanderson
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <
> tsiegman@wiley.com> wrote:
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>> I just want to make sure this group is familiar with W3C’s Web Annotation
>> Data Model https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/. I’ve copied Rob
>> Sanderson who helped author it.
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>> *Tzviya Siegman*
>>
>> Information Standards Lead
>>
>> Wiley
>>
>> 201-748-6884 <(201)%20748-6884>
>>
>> tsiegman@wiley.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Aaron Leventhal [mailto:aleventhal@google.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 11, 2018 10:36 AM
>> *To:* ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* Microsoft's ARIA annotations proposal
>>
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>> Hello, I was reading the ARIA annotations issue
>> <https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/749> and the linked Microsoft
>> Position Paper on Annotations
>> <https://www.w3.org/2014/04/annotation/submissions/Microsoft_Position_Paper_on_Annotations.pdf>
>> .
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>> All I can say is, yes, we need this. With perhaps a few minor tweaks, the
>> proposal is already pretty solid. It would solve a lot of real problems in
>> group document editors. This would be very helpful for end users.
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>> I'd like to see annotations sooner than the 1.4 time frame, and look
>> forward to implementing in Chrome, and working with platform API specs and
>> AT vendors as well.
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>> I propose we get this on the agenda for an upcoming meeting.
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>> Thank you,
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>> Aaron
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> --
> Rob Sanderson
> Semantic Architect
> The Getty Trust
> Los Angeles, CA 90049
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