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Re: ARIA and HTML document question about implicit headings

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 13:04:12 +0200
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VmamiA=mN1KUoJKwgHhS-Dhj_URoWigi2PnsRN-nnCR6A@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Schnabel, Stefan" <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
Cc: Aaron Leventhal <aleventhal@google.com>, Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>, ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
  <h1 aria-level="3"> Test </h1>

Is not a conformance error in HTML5

On Tuesday, 15 August 2017, Schnabel, Stefan <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
wrote:

> So we have to live with the situation that validators will potentially
> flame
>
> <h1 aria-level="3"> Test </h1>
>
> but in reality it works since AT/UA is resolving it in the sense “ARIA
> wins”.
>
>
>
> <button role=”textbox” ..>
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>
>
> goes in the same ambiguous direction.
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>
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> Although this is hypothetical and code above can be seen always as
> “authoring error” by authoring tools - how will this be resolved in the
> future?
>
> Is it safe to rely on the AT override behaviour in the long run? I don’t
> think so.
>
>
>
> -          Stefan
>
>
>
> *From:* Aaron Leventhal [mailto:aleventhal@google.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','aleventhal@google.com');>]
> *Sent:* Montag, 14. August 2017 21:16
> *To:* Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com');>>; ARIA
> Working Group <public-aria@w3.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','public-aria@w3.org');>>
> *Subject:* Re: ARIA and HTML document question about implicit headings
>
>
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> Implementations don't try to do that much verification of markup validity
> -- that's mostly left to authoring tools.
>
>
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 2:25 PM Bryan Garaventa <
> bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com');>> wrote:
>
> I thought this only affected the mappings. For example a heading can have
> only one level in the accessibility tree, so only one would be announced
> regardless.
>
>
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> I just verified this using the following markup.
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> <h1 aria-level="3"> Test </h1>
>
>
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> All of the screen readers JAWS, NVDA, and iOS VoiceOver announce this as
> an H3 heading in Firefox, Chrome, and Safari.
>
>
>
> Bryan Garaventa
>
> Accessibility Fellow
>
> Level Access, Inc.
>
> Bryan.Garaventa@LevelAccess.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Bryan.Garaventa@LevelAccess.com');>
>
> 415.624.2709 <(415)%20624-2709> (o)
>
> www.LevelAccess.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Aaron Leventhal [mailto:aleventhal@google.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','aleventhal@google.com');>]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 11:05 AM
> *To:* Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com');>>; ARIA
> Working Group <public-aria@w3.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','public-aria@w3.org');>>
> *Subject:* Re: ARIA and HTML document question about implicit headings
>
>
>
> Hi Bryan, I think can answer this one.
>
>
>
> The <h1> etc. elements already have a level, so aria-level would be a
> direct conflict. Why say the level twice?
>
>
>
> However, a button (native or ARIA) has no way to say whether it's pressed,
> or pressable, or has a popup, without the aria-pressed/aria-haspopup
> attributes.
>
>
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:49 PM Bryan Garaventa <
> bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com');>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I noticed recently that according to the ARIA and HTML mapping tables, the
> use of aria-level is said to not be allowed on H1 through H6 elements, even
> though these implicitly map to role="heading".
>
> Since supporting attributes like aria-pressed and aria-haspopup are
> accepted on other implicit elements like role="button", amongst other
> implicit role and attribute combinations, why is this one different?
>
> Bryan Garaventa
> Accessibility Fellow
> Level Access, Inc.
> Bryan.Garaventa@LevelAccess.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Bryan.Garaventa@LevelAccess.com');>
> 415.624.2709 <(415)%20624-2709> (o)
> www.LevelAccess.com
>
>

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SteveF
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