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Regarding the implicit role mapping of role=form for native HTML5 form elements

From: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 16:38:47 +0000
To: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>, Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com>, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
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Hi,
I'm opening up this discussion here because there appears to be descent as to what this behavior is meant to be, and we as implementers all need to be on the same page. The relevant thread is below. I'm not sure what ever happened to the spec text regarding this, but as I recall the result of our mapping meeting was that form elements would be treated in the same manner as named regions so that when a form element had an explicit label, it would be mapped as a form landmark. The relevant meeting minutes are also below. It would be good to have others chime in about their understanding of this because now I am uncertain anybody was on the same page about it.


Bryan Garaventa
Accessibility Fellow
Level Access, Inc.
Bryan.Garaventa@LevelAccess.com
415.624.2709 (o)
www.LevelAccess.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Garaventa [mailto:bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 9:06 AM
To: tink@tink.uk; Taliesin Smith <talilief@gmail.com>
Cc: Tobias Bengfort <tobias.bengfort@posteo.de>; WAI IG <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>; ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
Subject: RE: non-landmark forms

UAIG is the old name for the User Agent Implementation Guide.

I'm confused, because you didn't raise any concerns about this during the discussion when it was proposed last year, and you did participate in the thread.
Reference: http://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread=7419


This was discussed in the meeting minutes at
http://www.w3.org/2016/04/26-aapi-minutes.html#item05


I'm CCing the ARIA WG mail list here too because there appears to be some confusion about this that we need to discuss there.


Bryan Garaventa
Accessibility Fellow
Level Access, Inc.
Bryan.Garaventa@LevelAccess.com
415.624.2709 (o)
www.LevelAccess.com

-----Original Message-----
From: LĂ©onie Watson [mailto:tink@tink.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 8:20 AM
To: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>; Taliesin Smith <talilief@gmail.com>
Cc: Tobias Bengfort <tobias.bengfort@posteo.de>; WAI IG <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject: Re: non-landmark forms

On 02/08/2017 18:44, Bryan Garaventa wrote:
> " It is worth mentioning that using <form aria-label="This form"> or <form aria-labellledby="that"> will not give the form an accessible name either."
> 
> Hi Leonie, I agree this doesn't do so now, but this was decided about six months ago in the UAIG meetings with Rich, Jonie, and Joseph for this to be true.

Thanks Bryan. What is the UA IG?


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