Draft minutes from 3 November

Minutes from the ARIA Teleconference of 3 November are provided below as text,
and are available as hypertext at:

http://www.w3.org/2016/11/03-aria-minutes.html


   W3C

                                                                                   - DRAFT -

                                                      Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference

03 Nov 2016

   Agenda

   See also: IRC log

Attendees

   Present
          Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joanmarie_Diggs, Janina, matt_king, ShaneM, MichaelC, jongund

   Regrets
   Chair
          Rich

   Scribe
          janina

Contents

     * Topics
         1. Heads Up Items
         2. HTML5 Input Elements for ARIA 1.2
         3. testable statements
     * Summary of Action Items
     * Summary of Resolutions
     _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

   <scribe> scribe: janina

Heads Up Items

   No meeting Thursday 24 November -- U.S. Thanksgiving Day

   Michael will chair next two calls, Rich away on vacation.

   Please note U.S. adjusts off Daylight Time, so we're back to the usual times for our participants

HTML5 Input Elements for ARIA 1.2

   <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-html51-20161101/sec-forms.html#the-input-element

   <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-html51-20161101/sec-forms.html#element-attrdef-input-type

   rich: We'll need ARIA Attributes, probably

   <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-html51-20161101/sec-forms.html#element-attrdef-input-type

   rich: Have different element types
   ... We need to assign to folks, and do some triaje now
   ... Text with no line breaks -- Suggest we need nothing on this?

   matt: Recalls multiline, others -- we're OK

   <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-html51-20161101/sec-forms.html#element-attrdef-input-type

   rich: Next, search box ... We have ...
   ... Notes types are all in first column in the table
   ... We have search box -- what about the combobox?

   matt: our search is subclass of textbox
   ... subclassing for combo seems excessive

   rich: don't believe we need do anything

   matt: OK

   jn: Suggest description is a bit different
   ... Agrees, we're OK

   [Agreement we need nothing new for Search Combobox]

   [side discussion re respec issues]

   rich: Hmmm, it works in Chrome

   michael: Refresh in Chrome, also Firefox

   <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-html51-20161101/sec-forms.html#element-attrdef-input-type

   Shane: Will take a look
   ... Notes above link isn't using respec -- uses Bikeshed

   matt: Same issue on ARIA spec

   rich: Next, for telephone -- a type

   matt: If anything, would case a screen reader to read more appropriately

   jn: Notes css would help, type=tel

   matt: If mapped

   jn: Apple has this, no

   rich: We can certainly expand apis to support

   janina: Suggests value in formatting for telephone, currency, calendar notation, etc.

   matt: Suggest ARIA-FormatType -- ennumerated token type that maps to html

   [agreement]

   jn: I'll take it if we put these in github

   <ShaneM> who remembers XHTML Basic inputmode attribute?

   <ShaneM> https://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/#s_inputmode

   rich: Next, Password ---

   jn: Format Type=Obscurred

   matt: Like it!

   joanie: Notes GTK property what char is rendered when obscurred

   matt: So obscurring char would not be author controlled, but platform
   ... Could do ARIA-ObfiscationChar=[char]

   jn: How does this help on disengenuous passwords?

   [agreement it doesn't]

   <ShaneM> +1 to jamesn's point

   jn: Notes that sometimes password is shown intentionally

   rich: Next -- date
   ... Is browser dependent and takes on different forms

   matt: Isn't it also a form type field?

   rich: could popup a calendar

   matt: Mapping a calendar would be impossible unless we made everyone behave the same way
   ... Notes controls for date, week, hour, time, etc

   jn: How this is rendered is totaly browser dependent

   rich: Notes Lisa will be very interested in this

   matt: Is the browser going to do anything for the author to make date accessible?

   jn: Notes pretty good on some mobile platforms, but not on the desktop

   matt: agree

   rich: Notes we can create a calendar

   matt: yes

   rich: Suggest to indicate among date format types

   jn: no
   ... Suggests it needs to be hint text, or placeholder

   matt: aria-format=date attribute and leave it at that

   [agreement]

   jn: perhaps an associated button that launches something
   ... Suggests we need a way to associate a button with the text field to launch something additional -- a dialog

   matt: suggests controls, or describedby ...

   jn: Usually we do describedby, but not as refined as I'd like

   matt: suggests grid

   jn: no
   ... We might have number that isn't spin button -- so I'll propose with my action

testable statements

   rich: we have aria-dpub with many elements
   ... was going to have a way to test based on id

   shane: spec'd but don't recall whether implemented
   ... It's trivial, though

   rich: In test harness? Where?

   Michael: Suggest same place as all other ARIA tests ? ...
   ... Maybe separate ...

   shane: propose wpt a folder there

   michael: With just one test, wiki is overkill

   rich: Same suite of tests for ARIA for Dpub?

   shane: no

   jg: will send out notice for testing meeting wednesday

   rich: Craig will get to mappings in December
   ... Don't know what's happening with Microsoft. No response from anyone there
   ... If no responses in next few weeks, may need to drop them from the table
   ... Notes change in doc-pullquote -- will need to map
   ... probably shouldn't be mapped at all, but will discuss with Craig
   ... May want to go to CR even while I'm on vacation, which is OK with me

   michael: Need CfC urgently

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

   [End of minutes]
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Found Scribe: janina
Present: Rich_Schwerdtfeger Joanmarie_Diggs Janina matt_king ShaneM MichaelC jongund


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