- From: Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:13:22 -0500
- To: "Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken" <tsiegman@wiley.com>
- Cc: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>, ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>, Fred Esch <fesch@us.ibm.com>, "DPUB-ARIA (public-dpub-aria@w3.org)" <public-dpub-aria@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <6088C644-3947-4BA8-B241-C2D12BEC7281@gmail.com>
We don’t own Apple’s platform but I feel that Apple is making assumptions that are too broad and essentially removing the needed information that should be passed on to the user. I wanted you to confirm or not confirm my concerns. If there is going to be an issue we need to make Apple aware of it. If there is an issue and they still chose to prohibit their own ATs from accessing the information then they made the choice to do so. As for other browsers like Firefox and Chrome, which use IA2, or even Edge I will push to make sure necessary semantics are passed over. The IA2 platform allows for this (Chrome and FF) as the actual object attribute is passed. ATK/ATSP also allows for this. I will be getting with Cynthia on Edge too. A lot of things indeed do not need to be mapped to something unique and this will be the case as you add new roles. There is also the point where you reach information overload with no ROI for AT users. In which case the roles should simply not be mapped. Rich Rich Schwerdtfeger > On Jul 18, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > While it is true that often there is a heading for these elements (e.g. <h1>Bibliography</h1>), it is not always the case, especially for something like doc-endnotes. > > I am rather puzzled about mapping items that subclass landmark in DPUB-ARIA to group in the first place though. The purpose of making these elements landmarks was based on experience of users of AT in the long-form publishing world. We expect users to want to navigate to items such as the pagelist, abstract, afterword, and then dive into the individual components of the publication. > > We can certainly add this to our agenda for the DPUB-ARIA meeting on Thursday. > > Tzviya > > > Tzviya Siegman > Information Standards Lead > Wiley > 201-748-6884 > tsiegman@wiley.com <mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com> > > From: Rich Schwerdtfeger [mailto:richschwer@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:32 PM > To: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken > Cc: James Craig; Joanmarie Diggs; ARIA Working Group; Fred Esch > Subject: Re: "doc-panelist" (Was: AXAPI Role mappings for DPub and Graphics AAMs) > > Sorry that was a typo . It should be doc-pagelist. > > Also, > > James provided mappings for things like appendix and acknowledgements below. Rather than expose these as appendix and acknowledgements he believes they only need be exposed as a group as the headers for those section will include those words i. Them at all times > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 18, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com <mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>> wrote: > > Hi Rich, > > I am puzzled by this question, because I don’t recognize the role doc-panelist. Did something creep in from another document? > > Thanks, > Tzviya > > Tzviya Siegman > Information Standards Lead > Wiley > 201-748-6884 > tsiegman@wiley.com <mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com> > > From: James Craig [mailto:jcraig@apple.com <mailto:jcraig@apple.com>] > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 1:47 PM > To: Rich Schwerdtfeger > Cc: Joanmarie Diggs; ARIA Working Group; Fred Esch > Subject: "doc-panelist" (Was: AXAPI Role mappings for DPub and Graphics AAMs) > > What about things like doc-panelist whose superclass is “navigation”? > > I don't see that in the draft, but I assume it could be mapped like its superclass "navigation" role. > > If that role is intended to read as "pane list", it looks like the word "panelist", aka a human participant in a panel. The DPUB group should consider changing it to avoid ambiguity. > > We would do the same superclass mapping with the SVG "graphics-document" role. > > graphics-document > > Same as "document" role. > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: AXDocument > AXRoleDescription: 'document' > > For that matter, I'm not convinced the "graphics-document" subrole literal is required. Why can't this just be an implementation details for any "document" inside an image? > > James > > > On Jul 18, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com <mailto:richschwer@gmail.com>> wrote: > > What about things like doc-panelist whose superclass is “navigation”? > > That is now only a group which has no semantic meaning. > > Rich > > Rich Schwerdtfeger > > > > > On Jul 16, 2016, at 11:56 PM, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com <mailto:jcraig@apple.com>> wrote: > > I've completed the mapping list below. As most of these do not require special mappings to the API, the mappings should inherit from their superclass role in Core-AAM. > > These are links, headings, images, an occasional landmark, and a lot of generic groups. Most of the generic groups (abstract, footnotes, etc.) will be clearly identified to the user by a contained heading, so they do not need any additional mapping to the API. > > Note: Some roles—like chapter and subtitle—are likely to have additional support in the future. However, because no chapter- or subtitle-specific subrole is supported by any user agent or assistive technology, no special mapping should be included in a TR document. > > Thanks, > James Craig > > > > On Jul 1, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com <mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com>> wrote: > > Hi Chris and James. > > I was looking over mappings for the DPub submodule of ARIA and noticed > that there were a lot of "TBD" notes for AXSubrole. That, along with > spotting "AXRoleDescription: 'doc toc'," suggests we need your input. > > Below please find a list of all the role mappings for your platform from > the DPub AAM spec, along with the three from the Graphics AAM spec. When > you have some spare cycles, it would be great if you could review what > we currently have and let us know what we should have. > > Thanks in advance for your time. And have an awesome weekend! > --joanie > > ====================================================================== > https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html <https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html> > > 1. doc-abstract > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'abstract' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 2. doc-acknowledgments > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'acknowledgments' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 3. doc-afterword > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'afterword' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 4. doc-appendix > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'appendix' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 5. doc-backlink > AXRole: AXLink > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'backward reference' > > AXRole: AXLink > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'link' > > > > 6. doc-biblioentry > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'bibliography entry' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 7. doc-bibliography > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'bibliography' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 8. doc-biblioref > AXRole: AXLink > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'bibliography reference' > > AXRole: AXLink > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'link' > > > > 9. doc-chapter > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'chapter' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > Chapter is the most likely candidate for a future subrole, but none exists yet. > > > > 10. doc-colophon > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'colophon' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 11. doc-conclusion > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'conclusion' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 12. doc-cover > AXRole: AXImage > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'image' > > AXRole: AXImage > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'image' > > > > 13. doc-credit > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'credit' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 14. doc-credits > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'credits' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 15. doc-dedication > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'dedication' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 16. doc-endnote > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'endnote' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 17. doc-endnotes > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'endnotes' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 18. doc-epigraph > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'epigraph' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 19. doc-epilogue > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'epilogue' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 20. doc-errata > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'errata' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 21. doc-example > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'example' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 22. doc-footnote > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'footnote' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 23. doc-foreword > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'foreword' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 24. doc-glossary > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'glossary' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 25. doc-glossref > AXRole: AXLink > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'glossary reference' > > AXRole: AXLink > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'link' > > > > 26. doc-index > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'index' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 27. doc-introduction > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'introduction' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 28. doc-noteref > AXRole: AXLink > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'note reference' > > AXRole: AXLink > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'link' > > > > 29. doc-notice > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'notice' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 30. doc-pagebreak > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'page break' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 31. doc-pagelist > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: AXLandmarkNavigation > AXRoleDescription: 'page list' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 32. doc-part > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'part' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 33. doc-preface > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'preface' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 34. doc-prologue > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'prologue' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 35. doc-pullquote: (not mapped) > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 36. doc-qna > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'questions and answers' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 37. doc-subtitle > AXRole: AXHeading > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'subtitle' > > AXRole: AXHeading > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'heading' > > > > 38. doc-tip > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: TBD > AXRoleDescription: 'tip' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > > 39. doc-toc > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: AXLandmarkNavigation > AXRoleDescription: 'doc toc' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > ====================================================================== > https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/graphics-aam/graphics-aam.html <https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/graphics-aam/graphics-aam.html> > > 1. graphics-document > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: AXGraphicsDoc > AXRoleDescription: 'graphics document' > > Same as "document" role. > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: AXDocument > AXRoleDescription: 'document' > > > > > 2. graphics-object > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: AXGraphicsObject > AXRoleDescription: 'graphics object' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' > > > > 3. graphics-symbol > AXRole: TBD > AXSubrole: AXSymbol > AXRoleDescription: 'graphics symbol' > > AXRole: AXGroup > AXSubrole: <nil> > AXRoleDescription: 'group' >
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