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Re: [AR Standards Discussion] The Augmented Web

From: Martin Lechner <martin.lechner@wikitude.com>
Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:44:57 +0200
Message-ID: <4FB61A19.80509@wikitude.com>
To: discussion@arstandards.org, public-ar@w3.org
Hi Rob!

Adding to this and the question Christine had with regards to ARML 2.0:

I'm actually not quite sure why you "don't see any relevance for that". 
Could you share your thoughts on that? I mean, as the ARML 2.0 spec is 
not published yet, it's fair enough (and actually the only way) for you 
to develop your own thing, and I'm certainly not arguing about this. But 
I don't really see why you would not even consider it afterwards, given 
your opinion that you don't see any relevance in it.

I mean, more specificly my question is actually "Are you lined up with 
what we are doing in the ARML 2.0 SWG?"

I know you have had (and you probably still have) issues and worries 
that - as this is developed within the OGC - it's just location based, 
and it's all Wikitude.
Simple answer to that (and I keep saying that over and over again) is 
that it's not. We focus more on generic tracking (supporting any kind of 
tracking algorithms in a very generic way), relative positioning, 3D and 
infrastructure models, level of detail etc. rather than the (already 
pretty well GML-defined) location-based geometries. We also work on 
having a descriptive and a scripting part of the language, similar to 
how HTML and ECMAScript/JavaScript work together as seperate, yet 
cooperating specs.
We've also grown from 5 founding members to 47 working, advising and 
observing members of the group, including big companies like Google, 
Hyundai, Hitachi, but also universities like Blair's group from Georgia 
Tech, and the like.

Based on the ARML 2.0 group's feedback, I'd also be keen on sharing more 
information on the current status of the DOM, so everyone on the list 
has an idea on where we stand right now. Of course, only if this group 
actually thinks it's relevant ;-)

That's just my though on this, I feel we keep reiterating a little :-)
I'd be keen on learning more on why you see it that polarized, 'cause I 
think from what I've heard that theAWEsomeWEB idea could align quite 
nicely with ARML 2.0.

Thanks Rob, have a good weekend, and say hello to Australia from me, 
it's been since I've last visited - need to get back there somewhen ;-)


Am 17.05.2012 21:41, schrieb Rob Manson:
> Hi Christine,
> was great to catchup at ARE again.
>> I was unable to do anything (couldn't download awe.js) but I visited
>> the web site.
> That's the github repository we'll be releasing the code into soon.
>> Could you please explain how the toolkit you have prepared maps to
>> (provides solutions fitting within) the AR Reference Model?
> It's effectively a full stack that all operates within the mobile web
> browser.  I'll do some dedicated posts on this and how it relates to the
> AR Reference Model as soon as we release the code.  It will make a lot
> more sense with real world examples.
>> How does this use (today or in the future) the ARML 2.0
>> specification?
> It doesn't.  I don't see any relevance for that 8)
>> Could you tell us which browsers this has been tested with and perhaps
>> ask the companies involved (e.g., Google, Mozilla, Opera, Apple) to
>> chime in about this?
> It currently runs on Opera, leading edge WebKit browsers (e.g. Chrome)
> and some leading edge builds of Firefox.  Safari is based on WebKit so
> logically this can be supported too.  And we're looking forward to the
> IE team releasing support for the relevant APIs soon.
> So this approach to the Augmented Web works now and we expect these
> capabilities to flow down and be commonly available within the next 6
> months.  If we look back over the history of AR Standards I think we can
> see how quickly that time frame pases 8)
> So...more case studies and demos/videos coming soon.
> roBman
>> On 5/17/12 7:32 PM, Rob Manson wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm glad to see our launch of theAWEsomeWEB.com [1] at ARE2012 has
>>> created some frantic me-too activity.
>>> *waves and smiles to Martin&  the wikitude team* 8)
>>> So if you've been wondering why I've been so quiet over the last few
>>> months it's because we've been working hard to develop all the ideas
>>> I've been presenting about the Augmented Web since 2009 [2] into some
>>> real working technology.
>>> We're just about to release our Open Source javascript toolkit called
>>> awe.js [3] that is the jQuery for the Augmented Web and I think you'll
>>> really like how easy it makes it to create this whole new breed of web
>>> apps.
>>> I think all of the discussions we've been having in the standards groups
>>> so far are really important but I also think it's time to crystalise a
>>> lot of these discussion into some code that really works and some
>>> example apps that show just what's really possible right now.
>>> So it's obviously the right time for this Augmented Web discussion to
>>> really start in earnest and if you're not across where it's up to then I
>>> think you'll find that the sands are shifting under your feet!
>>> It's time to peel back the old web and uncover the new world beneath.
>>> Welcome to http://theAWEsomeWEB.com 8)
>>> roBman
>>> [1] http://theAWEsomeWEB.com
>>> [2] http://www.slideshare.net/robman/patterns-of-interest-iswar-seoul-2010
>>> [3] https://github.com/nambor/awe.js
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