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Re: Stateful compression of cookies (Re: Delta Compression and UTF-8 Header Values)

From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:36:53 -0600
Message-ID: <CAK3OfOjZ+u_ieZtSrBMSwsCx3ngOj7V=sHbfV-nW+zKSEwJCmg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, Zhong Yu <zhong.j.yu@gmail.com>, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, "Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>, "ietf-http-wg@w3.org" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
> wrote:
>> (Also, a note about small session IDs: they can't be so small as to be
>> guessable.  32-bit session IDs would be a disaster.  I think I'd not
>> feel comfortable with session IDs smaller than 96-bits.)
> Please, lets not repeat the mistake of doing bearer tokens.

Heh, well, you know that I'm with you on this, as we both have I-Ds
that involve the use of MACs to authenticate access to sessions on
each request.

> I would very much like to separate out authentication tokens from state
> tokens so that we can get some sanity. But the replacement for the use of a
> session cookie for authentication should be a proof of knowledge of the
> shared secret rather than presentation of the shared secret itself.


> Doing this would render the various BEAST and CRIME attacks ineffective
> along with most cookie stealing as the  confidential data would only go
> across the wire in plaintext at most once.

Although BEAST/CRIME are not the only reasons to want this.

> So the communication pattern might be:

But we still need a) a session ID, and/or b) server-side state stored
as encrypted cookies (in the generic sense, not "web cookies") on the
client side.

Received on Monday, 11 February 2013 16:37:26 UTC

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