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Re: Discussing Client Sessions

From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:15:03 +1000
Cc: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <B671D136-6F77-43B0-9A40-9A769D688813@mnot.net>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
HI Willy,

On 21/07/2012, at 3:23 PM, Willy Tarreau wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 10:17:53AM +1000, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>> There's been a lot of discussion about client-initiated session identifiers
>> on list lately.
>> 
>> This is interesting, and perhaps important work, but it's squarely outside of
>> our *current* scope of work.
>> 
>> I'd encourage the folks who are interested in it to work on a proposal (or
>> three) in the form of Internet-Drafts; we can then spend some time discussing
>> them, before figuring out what to do about it. As it is, the on-list
>> discussion is getting somewhat circular.
> 
> Mark,
> 
> a draft is something appropriate when ideas are already in shape. Designing
> while writing a draft and without other participants' ideas and feedback is
> a very hard task (and not always efficient). Some discussions with the people
> on the list help figure out what ideas are wrong because the people with
> knowledge and experience are here.

That's great, and normally I'd be much more willing to let this conversation run its course. 

However, we had more than sixty messages in a handful of days. Right now, the Working Group is supposed to be concentrating on selecting a starting point for further work, as well as discussing the authentication proposals, and I don't want people to be distracted / arguing about this going into next week's meeting. 

I'm not saying this isn't a valuable -- and potentially promising -- conversation. I just want to see it pause. 


> Granted this can look like pollution compared to the scope of reviewing
> draft-20 and expressing support for 2.0 drafts, but if the participants
> silently work in their garage on a draft, they won't work on the current
> scope either and they'll come up with solutions which only reflect their
> own use.
> 
> Maybe instead we should be strict on selecting the subjects of e-mails so
> that it's easier to skip the undesired threads and limit pollution ?


It's quite likely we'll be doing that in the future, yes. Right now, however, it's mostly a timing issue. 

Thanks,



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Mark Nottingham
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