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Re: TICKET 259: 'treat as invalid' not defined

From: Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net>
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:05:07 +0100
To: Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com>
Cc: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, httpbis <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <99bed6d595lgl97t9tbheo83ck3crumd3h@hive.bjoern.hoehrmann.de>
* Adam Barth wrote:
>On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
>> OK, although everything that can be said about this *has* been said, I'll
>> repeat my p.o.v. here because this is the only mailing list thread specific
>> to issue 259.
>> On 02.11.2010 03:56, Adam Barth wrote:
>>> ...
>>> The browser use case proceeds from the following premises.
>>> 1) Many servers send invalid messages to user agents.
>> No data was provided that this is indeed the case for C-D.
>No data was provided that this isn't the case.  Given that we see
>invalid message everywhere else, common sense tells us that we will
>see invalid messages here too.

Common sense tells us many things, for instance, that it is improper to
respond to an argument about "not many" with "maybe some".

What you are saying is untrue. Julian has gathered and shared data on
how inconsistent error handling is across implementations; we can draw
conclusions from that due to the obvious causal relationship between
error rates and failure rates.

And I have gathed and analyzed a data set and shared my findings about
actual use of the Content-Disposition header on web sites, with a clear
result as far as I am concerned.

You are the one demanding change, so the burden of proof is yours to
bear. Seriously, I get my fair share of entertainment reading about the
differences between 99.99% and 99.999% compatibility and how Mozilla
have decided to not compete for market share in Asia, in the end we'll
resolve this issue through rough consensus and running code, not based
on how many times you say you really like to standardize error handling.
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