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Re: ETags and concurrency control

From: Henrik Nordstrom <henrik@henriknordstrom.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:27:51 +0200
To: Robert Siemer <Robert.Siemer-httpwg@backsla.sh>
Cc: Brian Smith <brian@briansmith.org>, "'Pablo Castro'" <Pablo.Castro@microsoft.com>, atom-protocol@imc.org, "'HTTP Working Group'" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <1209410871.13203.30.camel@henriknordstrom.net>

On mån, 2008-04-28 at 13:44 +0200, Robert Siemer wrote:

> That raises three issues:
> 1) It's not in RFC2616 (weak comparison for non-GET) and so it's not on 
>    RFC2616bis charta.

Not convinced. The current limitations on weak etags is just silly with
the exception of If-Range..

In my view it's a specification error that validators based on
Last-Modified is allowed in more places than weak etag based ones.

> 2) Weak ETags don't mean "semantically equivalent" anymore. They mean 
>    nothing now (see i101). As of today there is no replacement text 
>    proposed for i101, but weak ETags could get degraded to something way 
>    weaker than Last-Modified.

As specifiedin RFC2616 weak ETags is already less useful as cache
validator than Last-Modified, even if even the most trivial
implementations do generate a much stronger weak ETag cache validator
than Last-Modified.

> 3) the upgrade/downgrade questions will come up again:
>    match_weak("xyz", W/"xyz")
>    is 'true' or 'false'?

True. We have already beaten that discussion to death I think.
Specifications is very clear on this.

The error many seems to get trapped in is thinking that because of this
clients may upgrade the received weak etag as a strong one in order to
be able to acutally use the etag for anything useful, but this MUST NOT
be done and breaks the whole scheme in obvious ways.

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