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Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter for http-bis

From: tom.petch <cfinss@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:09:29 +0000
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To: "Keith Moore" <moore@cs.utk.edu>
Cc: "Adrien de Croy" <adrien@qbik.com>, "Apps Discuss" <discuss@apps.ietf.org>, <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>




----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Moore" <moore@cs.utk.edu>
To: "tom.petch" <cfinss@dial.pipex.com>
Cc: "Adrien de Croy" <adrien@qbik.com>; "Apps Discuss" <discuss@apps.ietf.org>;
<ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: RFC2616 vs RFC2617, was: Straw-man charter for http-bis
> >>
> >> Seems to me that the issue of securing communications and authenticating
> >> or identifying parties are closely aligned, why not just have some form
> >> of auth built into TLS, then we could use it for any protocol that can
> >> use TLS, instead of having to implement separate auth schemes for every
> >> higher protocol.
> >>
> >>
> > TLS can do that but it does not gel with the way in which (many)
organisations
> > are structured.  Those responsible for security, for security credentials
and
> > their maintenance, do not want to be ferreting around in the depths of a
network
> > stack, they prefer working at application and database level, a point that
has
> > already been alluded to in this thread.
>
> how exactly does sending TLS credentials involve ferreting around in the
> depths of a network stack?
>

It doesn't:-)  Those responsible for the creation and maintenance of security
credentials - which I see as the major ongoing work of security - prefer to do
at an application level, using appropriate databases, which are
somewhat removed from the lower layers in which TLS sits.  So TLS has a
different set of credentials or none, which is the problem that channel binding
overcomes.

Tom Petch
Received on Thursday, 14 June 2007 18:27:32 GMT

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