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RE: Content encoding problem...

From: Yaron Goland <yarong@microsoft.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 12:02:06 -0800
Message-Id: <c=US%a=_%p=msft%l=RED-44-MSG-970216200206Z-13186@INET-05-IMC.microsoft.com>
To: "'Roy T. Fielding'" <fielding@kiwi.ICS.UCI.EDU>, "'jg@zorch.w3.org'" <jg@zorch.w3.org>
Cc: "'http-wg%cuckoo.hpl.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com'" <http-wg%cuckoo.hpl.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
I would like to second your off the cuff suggestion for changing the
content-type field to a recursive form. I always wondered why we ended
up with the content-encoding hack, especially as it doesn't support
multiple levels of encoding.
	Yaron

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Roy T. Fielding [SMTP:fielding@kiwi.ICS.UCI.EDU]
>Sent:	Friday, February 14, 1997 8:53 PM
>To:	jg@zorch.w3.org
>Cc:	http-wg%cuckoo.hpl.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com
>Subject:	Re: Content encoding problem... 
>
>Just a summary response ...
>
>Jim said:
>>Our performance work makes it pretty clear we should straighten this
>>out somehow, as it can really help low bandwidth users significantly (and
>>nothing else other than style sheets does as much).  Our tests showed
>>that the deflate side is very very fast, and it would be a good optimiztion
>>if HTML documents were routinely sent in compressed form.  (We'll try
>
>Apache is already capable of optionally providing documents in compressed
>form using the existing content negotiation facilities.  The protocol
>does not need to change for that to work.
>
>When I first started testing HTTP/1.0 clients, almost all of them understood
>Content-Encoding.  Are you saying that they have digressed?  Are you sure
>that the tests were not faulty (i.e., was the server output checked to
>be sure that it was actually sending the correct content-type and
>content-encoding headers)?  Or do the failures only apply when "deflate"
>is used as the Content-Encoding?  Note that most current clients will
>only accept "x-gzip" and "x-compress", if anything.
>
>If the tests are accurate and content-encoding no longer works, then I
>have a more radical suggestion --- drop it entirely.  Content-encoding
>was a terrible extension to begin with and would have been better
>represented as a layered Content-Type, as in
>
>    Content-Type: application/gzip (text/html)
>
>and
>
>    Content-Type: application/secure (application/gzip (text/html))
>
>That would allow HTTP to be much more MIME-compliant than it is currently.
>This is a significant design change, but if the tests are true it means
>that the design considerations of two years ago no longer apply.
>
>However, it would take serious ineptitude on the part of browser
>developers for them not to support Content-Encoding at this late date.
>At the very least, I would expect them to complain about it first,
>and I have had no indication of that over the past few years.
>
>Jeff said:
>>although I'd suggest thinking about changing the whole sentence
>>to read something like:
>>    If an Accept-Encoding header is present, and if the server cannot
>>    send a response which is acceptable according to the
>>    Accept-Encoding header, then the server SHOULD send a response
>>    using the default (identity) encoding.
>
>I like this new wording, regardless.
>
>Henrik suggested:
>>What if we said that:
>>
>>"HTTP/1.1 servers or proxies MUST not send any content-encodings other than
>>"gzip" and "compress" to a HTTP/1.0 client unless the client explicitly
>>accepts it using an "Accept-Encoding" header."
>
>No.  Content-Encoding is a property of the resource (i.e., only the origin
>server is capable of adding or removing it on the server-side, and only
>the user agent is capable of removing it on the client-side).  The protocol
>should not dictate the nature of a resource and under what conditions the
>server can send an otherwise valid HTTP entity.  The protocol must remain
>independent of the payload.
>
>Transfer-Encoding, on the other hand, represents HTTP-level encodings.
>If we want to support HTTP-level compression, it must be done at that
>level.  However, I would rather see work being done on HTTP/2.x, wherein
>we could define a tokenized message format which is more efficient than
>just body compression and would result in no worse incompatibilities with
>existing software than adding body compression.
>
>.....Roy
>
Received on Sunday, 16 February 1997 12:12:56 EST

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