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Re: Comments on Byte range draft

From: Chuck Shotton <cshotton@biap.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 08:34:28 -0600
Message-Id: <v02130515accbb07ab14e@[198.64.246.22]>
To: Benjamin Franz <snowhare@netimages.com>, Gavin Nicol <gtn@ebt.com>
Cc: montulli@mozilla.com, fielding@avron.ICS.UCI.EDU, masinter@parc.xerox.com, ari@netscape.com, john@math.nwu.edu, http-wg%cuckoo.hpl.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com
>On Sun, 12 Nov 1995, Gavin Nicol wrote:

>> Byte ranges are a lazy replacement for a general naming mechanism.
>
>You still have those blinders on. The whole universe of documents is
>not SGML/HTML/PDF/(favorite text markup language with naming mechanism).
>The ability to restart an interrupted transfer is an item that naming
>mechanisms are insufficiently powerful to handle in the general case.
>Byte ranges are not a 'lazy replacement' - they are the only general
>mechanism for restarting interrupted transfers of documents containing
>arbitrary content.

We've had this discussion before but here we go again. Wanna see how
screwed up byte ranges can really be? OK, here's the prime example. Suppose
you're a HTTP client and you're half way through downloading a huge HTML
document, the transfer terminates, and you decide to resume the transfer at
the "appropriate" byte offset. Fine concept on the surface, but an
implementation and performance nightmare for the following reason.

Only in the case of binary files does the byte stream transmitted by the
server stand a chance of being identical to what what it has stored locally
on disk. In the case of multi-fork or multi-part files, this won't be the
case. In the case of HTML files, for example, end of line termination ruins
the whole byte range theory. Many servers politely convert their machine
specific EOL sequence into a normalized version (LF or CR/LF) for the
transmission of text-only files. This means that there is a potential creep
of at least 1 byte per EOL in the file. A client asking to resume a
transfer at byte 900,000 only has the data stream it was receiving to go
by. This means that the server has to completely re-read the file,
translating line ends and looking for the "virtual" 900,000th byte as
rendered by the server. It's not simply a matter of jumping forward in the
file 900,000 bytes and resuming reading.

I spent weeks of my time trying to negotiate a more reasonable solution
with the Adobe engineers regarding how to read portions of PDF files. If
all the byte range proposal is really about is reading PDF (and it appears
that this is what is driving Netscape and Adobe), consider the following.
First, the reason people seem to be trying to shove a change to the URL
syntax into place is because of the variety of syntax specifications for
URLs (specifically, PATH arguments) on various servers. If everyone will
remember, the entire portion of the URL after the host specification is
SUPPOSED to be opaque to the client and the sole province of the server.
Clients have no business generating URLs like this. They are SUPPOSED to
simply return a URL originally provided by the server. That bit of
philosophy aside, here was the solution that was proposed to Adobe.

Rather than perturb the URL standard to meet the needs of 2 vendors,
existing mechanisms should be used. It is trivial to implement a CGI that
will return a range of bytes from a file specified as an argument to the
CGI. This was Adobe's original approach. As a network saavy helper app,
Acrobat Reader has the ability to generate and communicate URLs and
transmit them to servers. It can just as easily generate a URL that
includes a CGI name as it can generate a URL with byte range info. Since
the goal is to optimize the return of data for Acrobat, it makes more sense
to have a CGI on the server that understands the intricacies of PDF files
and can communicate more closely with the PDF reader than to warp the
non-conforming URL spec to Acrobat's needs.

The problem with this proposal on the surface is one of non-standard
techniques for passing arguments to CGIs as part of URLs. This was solved
by proposing that at a minimum, the CGI reside at the same URL for all
servers providing PDF content. This seems trivially possible for all
popular WWW servers now. Variations in path argument syntax were resolved
by making a call to the CGI with no parameters, with the reply from the
server (CGI) containing a format statement that specifies the syntax of
future URLs with byte-range requests. This provides the client (Acrobat
Reader) with a template that could be used to insert byte range begin and
end specifications into without having explicit knowledge of the actual URL
syntax (e.g., replace [START] with the starting byte, replace [END] with
the ending byte, and return the modified template to the server as a URL,
not changing the rest of the template text.) Simple solution, meets
Acrobat's needs (and any other tool that decides to conform to the services
of this CGI), and doesn't require lengthy standards harrangues.

In many cases, standardizing on a particular convention is preferable to
shoving more baggage onto an existing standard that doesn't have very much
to do with the problem. Especially when it is done without much forethought
as to the implications. I'd like to encourage people to look at
standardizing server behavior rather than "legislating" it through
mutations of the URL standard. If Adobe/Netscape chose to, they could
distribute a CGI for every server platform that would work with every
version of Acrobat reader, making both freely available to users on the
net. There would be no standards hassles, no mutation of the URL syntax,
URL path information would remain private to servers, and all PDF
users/publishers would have timely and correctly implemented access to the
tools necessary to efficiently serve PDF documents.

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Chuck Shotton                               StarNine Technologies, Inc.
chuck@starnine.com                             http://www.starnine.com/
cshotton@biap.com                                  http://www.biap.com/
                 "Shut up and eat your vegetables!"
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