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Re: Possible New Optional Field in Heade

From: Levine, David M. <DLEVINE@ssf4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Date: Wed, 10 May 95 08:38:00 cdt
To: HTTP Working Group <http-wg%cuckoo.hpl.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Message-Id: <2FB0CFBE@msmtp-out.jsc.nasa.gov>
Thanks to everyone for the responses.
As Dan Connolly and Barry Johnson noted, the "mxb"
feature is a pretty much what I was looking for.
Another question: how often is it actually used?
I set up a small script to look for it from
people accessing the page, but haven't found it yet.

Also, Barry Johnson noted:

>This is a nice idea, except for a couple of things: you are assuming the
>browser is the weak link. If I am browsing through a relatively empty T1
>(say in my office at night) but connecting to a personal web server running
>through a 28.8 or ISDN connection, the server is the weak (slow) link. If I
>then point my browser through a wide-open T3 across town, I may as well get
>the high bandwidth graphic.

And Brian Behlendorf said:

>Back to the proposal: the problem is that "bandwidth" is much more that just
>how fast your connection is.  For example, I'm hooked up to Sprint's and
>MCI's backbone via three T1's to my desk, and I sometimes see object transfer
>rates of 140k/second from nearby hosts, but there are times in the middle of
>the day when the backbone is heavily loaded that I don't get better than
>2k/sec even from hosts at large well-connected universities.  So, specifying
>my connection speed in an HTTP header doesn't seem to be the smartest thing
>in the world.  Additionally, just because I have a fat pipe doesn't mean I
>necessarily want to see pages with 300K of inlined images and backgrounds. 

So I suppose I was unclear.  I didn't want this field to be
the rated speed of the line, but rather the actual speed at
which the browser is receiving data.  The problem, of course,
is that is would be different for different sites.  One
possibility, as Mr. Behlendorf suggested, was to have a value
set per top-level domain (although this was suggested for
a "general quality value" rather than connection speed).  This
would work, of course, for cross-atlantic connections; but
as we all know, there can be a wide disparity in server
or connection speed even among local .edu or .com sites.
An automatic session average per top-level domain might
help somewhat... but there will always be sites that simply
don't fit the averages.

Additionally, Mr. Behlendorf said:

>in the world.  Additionally, just because I have a fat pipe doesn't mean I
>necessarily want to see pages with 300K of inlined images and backgrounds. 

So, of course, just as low-bandwidth users need the ability
to specify high-bandwidth pages, the reverse would also need
to be true. Barry Johnson expressed concern over too many
things needed to be set by a user on their browser.  My thought
on this was that if the user didn't want to be bothered, the
XferRate would simply be automatically calculated as the
session average.  In a "preferences" area, if the user
wanted, they could set it to one of three options: "high
bandwidth", "low bandwidth", or "specific speed".  The last
option would allow the input of a specific number.  The
first two would simply be an arbitrarily high and low
number.

Finally, again, the "q", "mxb", and "mxs" values seem to
be what I'm after.  The reason, perhaps, that many browsers
do not set them is that the values would be rather difficult
to set, especially for inexperiences users.  For instance,
how would someone with very little technical knowledge
decide how many bytes are of zero value, even if available
immediately?  Again, perhaps, there could be a simply
button control for "high/low", and the browser would
decide what values are needed. Personally, I like Brian
Behlendorf's idea for a "cyberspace volume control" knob.
This might be the simplest thing to do, and it could be
directly on your viewing page instead of hidden away, and
therefore changable from page to page very easily.
Mr. Behlendorf also asks what current header such an attribute
could be attached to.  Why not tag it onto Accept?

Again, thanks for everyone's comments.  Also, SHOULD this
be on www-talk?

David Levine
dlevine@ssf4.jsc.nasa.gov
or
lunar@sunsite.unc.edu
Received on Wednesday, 10 May 1995 07:36:44 EDT

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