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Re: [Tidy-dev] Re: Instructions for windows users?

From: Charles Reitzel <creitzel@rcn.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:55:53 -0400
Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040720095440.03a1cee8@pop.rcn.com>
To: Arno Wouters <arno.wouters@knoware.nl>
Cc: Cory Nelson <phrosty@gmail.com>, html-tidy@w3.org, tidy-develop@lists.sourceforge.net

Hi Arno,

Can you give this a try and let us, especially Corey, know how it goes?

Thanks,
Charlie

At 12:42 PM 7/17/2004 -0700, Cory Nelson wrote:
>Ask and ye shall recieve: http://dev.int64.org/tidy-setup.exe
>
>It installs tidy.exe into /Windows, and puts start-menu shortcuts to
>Raggett's intro and the quick reference.  If nobody wants
>additions/changes to it I'll put it up on my binaries page..
>
>On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:31:51 -0400, Charles Reitzel <creitzel@rcn.com> wrote:
> > Hi Arno,
> >
> > Can you provide specific suggestions that you think would make the web page
> > clearer?  For example, perhaps we should rename the link "Dave Raggett's
> > Original" to "Dave Raggett's Introduction To Tidy".
> >
> > Also, if you would like to make a windows installer for Tidy, that would be
> > a great contribution.  Perhaps you could work something out with Corey, who
> > is kindly keeping the Windows builds up to date?
> >
> > I appreciate what you are saying.  It is hard sometimes for us
> > bit-twiddlers to empathize with folks just trying to clean up a couple web
> > pages. But you just can't be all things to all people.  My gut feeling is
> > that folks who have trouble with the concept of copying executables into a
> > directory "somewhere on their PATH" will have a hard time with any command
> > line tool - including Tidy.  In fact, this is a large part of the
> > motivation behind the Tidy library.  It has allowed many folks to build
> > much more accessible front-ends to the core tool.
> >
> > take it easy,
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 04:30 PM 7/11/2004 +0200, Arno Wouters wrote:
> > >Dave Ragget's page gives an excellent introduction to Tidy but that was
> > >not what I was looking for. My problem was not how to *run* tidy, but to
> > >*install* it: what files should I download and how do I install them?
> > >Dave's pages refers to <http://tidy.sourceforge.net/> for this. I followed
> > >the link and was completely at loss.
> > >
> > >Here are the thoughts that went through my head in an attempt to find out
> > >what I should do:
> > >
> > >It seems as if this is a page for Unix geeks. Hmm, I see at least three
> > >links to 'windows'.  Which one do I need? One of the links is labeled
> > >'current version'. Of  course I need the newest version. But why do they
> > >provide older versions? The current version is in a section 'other builds'
> > >and it is said that it is currently unsupported, which sound as if one
> > >should only use that one if one knows what one is doing, which I do not.
> > >Moreover, it is manually build. This probably means that I have to compile
> > >it myself. I have no idea how to do that. No, this is definitely not the
> > >one I am looking for. Perhaps, I need an older version. But they say that
> > >there are many bugs in it and that they recommend the latest version. Hm,
> > >the page also says "If you don't find a pre-built executable version of
> > >Tidy to download for your machine/OS in the tables below, look at the
> > >links on the right side of this page for versions of Tidy provided by
> > >various people."  I have no idea what pre-built executable's are and why
> > >they refer to 'various people' but perhaps they simply mean to say "people
> > >who do not know unix should choose one of the versions advertised at the
> > >right page". The only place were windows is mentioned at the right page is
> > >in connection with something called 'HTMLTrim' [With hindsight, this
> > >turned out to be the right directory!] which is "a highly customizable
> > >X(HTML)/XML pretty-printer and fixer for Windows ". XML? Pretty printer?
> > >Fixer? This does not sound  as if it is what I am looking for. I need Tidy
> > >not Trim.  Well let me just try the link, just to see if it helps. They
> > >say "windows" after all.  Oops. Six files. They call them tidy, not trim.
> > >Strange, but this sounds as if it is what I am looking for. Good!  Which
> > >one(s) should I download? Do I need them all? I have no idea where to put
> > >them. There is one, tidy-exe.zip, that says "get this if you're not a
> > >C/C++ programmer" so that one I need definitely. But do I need the other
> > >ones too? Perhaps, not, perhaps the .exe contains all others. No that is
> > >not possible, the .exe is 126Kb, while the others are much bigger. But
> > >surely I don't need the source code. So I guess I need (the .exe and
> > >((tidy-lib and tidy-dll) or (tidy-lib-fast and tidy-dll-fast)). But I have
> > >no idea were to put the libs and dlls. Or perhaps I do need the source
> > >because that is the program that organises the other three. This is too
> > >difficult for me. I better return to my work and just put the HTML files
> > >generated by word on the web.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 10/7/04 11:40 -0400, Charles Reitzel wrote:
> > >
> > >>Excellent points, to which I usually respond:
> > >>
> > >>Dave's Original: http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/
> > >>Tidy Doc Links:  http://tidy.sourceforge.net/#docs
> > >>Getting Started: http://tidy.sourceforge.net/docs/faq.html#what-now
> > >>
> > >>Seriously, though, I have never seen fit to replace Dave's excellent
> > >>exposition on how to run Tidy (link above).  It is aimed directly at HTML
> > >>developers.  Imo, it is the best place to get started.
> > >>
> > >>At 04:53 AM 7/9/2004 -0700, Cory Nelson wrote:
> > >>>http://dev.int64.org/tidy.html
> > >>>
> > >>>Get the exe, copy it to your windows directory (or somewhere in your 
> path).
> > >>>Open up a command prompt (start->run->cmd.exe) and run "tidy -h".
> > >>>
> > >>>The official tidy web page is excellent for programmers but not very
> > >>>friendly when it comes to html developers.  Considering 78% of the
> > >>>people visiting my binaries page get the EXE, I think it's high time
> > >>>for some redesigning.
> > >>>
> > >>>I can't change the official site but in the next few days I'll make my
> > >>>binaries page (above URL) friendlier to non-programmers.
> > >>>
> > >>>On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:52:05 +0200, Arno Wouters
> > >>><arno.wouters@knoware.nl> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Hello,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  I am a simple windows user who has to maintain some web pages and
> > >>>>  wants to use tidy to clean up the html produced by Word.  I happen to
> > >>>>  recall that an installer could be downloaded from
> > >>>>  <http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/>. Currently there is no
> > >>>>  installer on that page. Instead I was referred to
> > >>>>  <http://tidy.sourceforge.net/>. OOPS. That was a surprise! But not a
> > >>>>  nice one. I don't understand a word of that kind of talk about
> > >>>>  executable binaries, hash sums, compile farm executables, cvs
> > >>>>  sources,  hash table versions, libary wrappers and so on. I have no
> > >>>>  idea what to download and how to install it. Please could you either
> > >>>>  provide a simple windows installer or clear instructions in plain
> > >>>>  English about what to download and how to install it. Thanks!
> > >>>  >
> > >>>>  Arno
> > >>>>
> > >>>
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occasion.  But on the other hand, I've stopped at a lot of green ones but 
never gotten credit for it."

- Glenn Gould
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